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What Happens When You Let Go of Control? Whitney Joy Reveals All
In this episode of The Fourever Podcast, host Jamar Jones sits down with Whitney Joy, author of Seven Blank Pages, to discuss her transformative journey of reinvention, surrender, and radical self-discovery. Whitney opens up about losing her husband, home, and job in a single day — and how that experience sparked her journey of self-awareness, travel, and inner freedom.
Together, they dive deep into the themes of intuition, change, and the courage to let go of control. Whitney also shares her creative marketing idea of sending seven copies of her book around the world, connecting readers through story and shared human experience.
If you’ve ever felt stuck, afraid of change, or unsure about your next move, this episode will inspire you to trust your gut, take action, and let the universe do its thing.
🌟 Episode Highlights:
✅ Reinvention is all about embracing change and evolving with purpose.
✅ Whitney shares the inspiration behind Seven Blank Pages and her journey through loss, travel, and healing.
✅ The power of surrender — learning to let go of control and trust the process.
✅ How intuition guides us toward the right opportunities in life and business.
✅ Self-publishing vs. traditional publishing — what works best for first-time authors.
✅ How to move past fear and perfectionism to start creating and sharing your story.
✅ The balance between being free-spirited and staying grounded in goals.
✅ Why self-respect and self-love are key to overcoming imposter syndrome.
✅ How changing your circle can completely shift your mindset and opportunities.
✅ Whitney’s fun take on her top 3 favorite movies (and what they reveal about her personality).
I truly feel that as spirits, as souls, as humans, we're on this earth to evolve. We're on this earth to have a variety of experiences, to continue absorbing, to continue growing. And that means you have to change at some point. And when we've been denying the micro changes enough, sometimes it erupts into a bomb in our life or it comes in full-blown reinvention.
SPEAKER_03:What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another episode of the Forever Podcast. It's your boy, it's your host, Jamar Jones, and I got a killer guest with me in the building. She graced us with her presence today. Uh, we got Whitney Joy in the building. Um, I am I'm super excited to have this conversation with you because, first of all, she's an author now, by the way. Um, a new author of the book Seven Blank Pages, which is on Amazon. Get you a copy, okay? Get you a copy. Don't sleep. You're gonna you're gonna definitely learn and grow from this book. Um, it's really a personal memoir of of a lot of the the challenges, the the ups, the downs, the sideways of her life. And you're gonna uh really walk away with a lot of things about I I walked away with a lot of things about self-awareness, um, just challenging yourself um with the way on how your your thought processes on just how you go and navigate around life, um, and just kind of letting go and surrendering. And I think that's something that I've been uh just really trying to focus on for myself, is just that surrendering to the universe, just letting things be, not holding on to all these things and trying to control, control, control. It is um really hard to do as a human being. So so we got Whitney. What's going on, Whitney? Uh, welcome to the Forever Podcast. How you doing today?
SPEAKER_00:I'm fantastic. I'm so excited to have this conversation and to be here. Thank you for the opportunity.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, yeah, no problem, no problem. So, first, I gotta uh start with what is something exciting that you're working on right now?
SPEAKER_00:Right now, the focus has been the book because, like you said, this is my first one, which has been a challenge, humbling experience, and a learning curve. And it has been the focus besides my two young children. And it the book comes out early September, and then we're gonna go on tour with it. We're gonna go around the world, we're gonna expand this message, and the story will take on a life of its own.
SPEAKER_03:So, we got a lot of entrepreneurs that uh listen to this podcast, and also a lot of people that want to be entrepreneurs or grow their own, they have an idea and they want to grow it. So I know from just personal experience that a lot of people want to be an author. So just for just real quick, just walk us through A, is it really hard to be an author? And then B, um, what's your strategy as far as like you said, take this around the world? That sounds like a dream come true for every single person listening. So, how do you do that? How are you gonna do that and take this book around the world and share this message?
SPEAKER_00:Well, to start out in the process, was it difficult? I think there's a thousand ways to do it, and you have to listen to yourself of what's right for you in terms of hiring a coach, hiring somebody to write it for you, an editor working with the tools that we have today, like AI. I personally hadn't use AI to write it, and I did hire an editor and a coach to get me through. Was it difficult? Absolutely. It is a commitment and it is crazy because it's one of those things that it's like the onion exercise when you keep peeling back layers and you think that you're going to be done, and you really get slapped with some fresh scent there to keep going. But um, I think the most important thing to remember with that is it's it's team sport. There are so many experts out there that want to help you, and stories are meant to be shared. Knowledge is meant to be shared. The world thrives off of connection, and a book is a great way to bridge that gap and to open the door to meet somebody who needs to hear what you have to say. And the process can be as long or short as you make it. Seek out help, find your right team, be true to yourself of your process of how long does this need to be? What is my priority? And there's always a way to get things done. So if you're thinking about it, start researching it, take action on it.
SPEAKER_03:I like both of those, by the way. Um, because some people are just research fanatics and they'll research themselves to death. So I like the other side of that where you got to take action. So just start writing. I mean, just start, just start writing whatever is on your mind. Everybody has a story to share. Um, and I definitely agree. I know when I did my book, I hired a book coach. I had an edit, I uh hired editors. Um, I did self-publish, so I do recommend that you know, unless you already have a uh amassed a big uh audience or following, or you're already in a position to go the publishing route. The easier way is to just self-publish because you're in ultimate control of your book, and you're not pressed and pushed into different things um that your publisher may want to put you into. Um, so that that is what I I oftentimes recommend. And if it's your first book, you got to at least hire somebody to get you through, you know. Like I mean, you just stuff you just don't know, like the codes for the book, and you know, where where do I put it at? What's the format? Uh, is how do I make it digestible for people? Like, there's this a lot of, like you said, twists and turns. Um, and now how are you gonna put this book out into the world? Like, what's what's the marketing strategy that you got? Obviously, you're on podcasts like this, which is fantastic. I know I think I saw you on Kimberly Spencer's podcast, which is absolutely incredible. Love Kimberly. Uh uh shout out. And um, so what's the what's the marketing play? Like, what how are you gonna get this book out there?
SPEAKER_00:You know, I love that you said that podcast. I'm definitely doing a podcast roadshow. And in general, with the book, I'm following the energy like I did when I lived the story. And I think that does mean tuning into yourself to find out what's authentic in terms of marketing versus just everything somebody else is doing to go viral. And that will connect with the readers that are meant to find it more so than any advertisement on Amazon or Instagram or Billboard in Times Square. But what I've been doing is really sitting back and be like, okay, how did I live it? What changed my life? How can this book have the same flow? So, for instance, we're doing a big book launch in Austin, Texas. On the first day the book is live, I'm gonna hand out and give away seven books, seven blank pages, and they have a specific QR code in them. There, the first reader will go to the QR code, their name, list the date, their country, and then write a little bit about it after they're done. Mark up the book, get it messy. And then when they're done, give it away to somebody. What you're in an airport, pass it off to the person next to you. You are picking your kids up at school, give it to a different parent in line. And I want to track the journey of the seven books that started from the first event. And that'll be something that the book is global. I literally travel all around the world. So I would like the books to continue going all around the world. And I'm also going to keep books with me as I fly and hand them, hand them out in airports. So I want to live the messages that I write about. And it's unconventional marketing, but it's authentic. And I think that that will have a greater power, a greater flow. But honestly, we'll we'll see what happens. This is just a test. So you heard it first, but in a couple of months, we'll be able to track those books and see if they went anywhere and see what people think.
SPEAKER_03:That is awesome. Such a unique idea. So it's uh what that marketing strategy reminds me of is when people um it's like it's blown up on TikTok, obviously. Um, like many things, uh, where they write a note and they put a bunch of stuff in a bottle and then they go and leave it somewhere, and then other people have to go and find it. And then whoever finds it, they read the note, and a lot of times they pass it on. So like they'll they'll get to take some of the items, they then refill it, the bottle, and they like throw it in the ocean, or they'll like put it in a beach, or put it under a bridge, or I don't know, just some random spot. Somebody else, but they post it online, so they look like they say, Here it is, but they give no context of location, city, nothing. Just like it's basically a video of just the surroundings and then putting the the bottle there or throwing it in the water or whatever, and then people have to go and find it, but then they repeat it, so it's kind of like an interactive way to take your book and have somebody get the benefits from it, but then be able to pass it on, which is uh which is very unique. So that's a that's a cool idea. That's a definitely a cool. And so my question is why is it called seven blank pages?
SPEAKER_00:Well, after I went through full identity crisis after losing my husband, my house, and my job in a 24-hour pan, I um was sitting there crying in my friend's loft. Poor me, playing the victim, not taking accountability, just very confused, very angry. And I picked up my passport and I was flipping through, very grateful for the travel that I had been able to do. However, I got to the end and I was like, uh, there's seven blank pages. All right, this is what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna take off and travel until they're full, and then I'll come home, I'll change back to my maiden name, I'll move to New York, fix everything. And that was all that it took for me to book a one-way ticket and disappear by myself. So the book is about the journey that I lived, filling those seven blank pages.
SPEAKER_03:Wow. Okay. So I got some, I got it. I've read the book. Um, fantastic book. I I have a couple of things that I wrote down as I think our audience would really love to hear from your perspective, um, from my takeaways from the book. And so you talk a lot about reinvention in this book. Um, I want to know. So, why is it important for someone to reinvent themselves? And how do you navigate reinvention? So, you had mentioned that first it was like you kind of hit this turmoil of like everything crashing down, and you were kind of forced into reinvention. So, I want to just kind of understand what inspires or why do people, why should people be constantly reinventing themselves? And how do we navigate reinvention?
SPEAKER_00:Well, another word for reinvention is change and embracing change. And I truly feel that as spirits, as souls, as humans, we're on this earth to evolve, we're on this earth to have a variety of experiences, to continue absorbing, to continue growing. And that means you have to change at some point. And when we've been denying the micro changes enough, sometimes it erupts into a bomb in our life, or it comes in full-blown reinvention when you have a situation like mine when I was going from homeowner, wife, successful executive in the gemology industry to none of those things. And I was left with who am I? Because I had been using them to define myself. And I was very disconnected from my authentic compass at that time. I had been denying change that I was needing to evolve. So if I had embraced change, if I had been open to it versus hiding from it, I maybe wouldn't have had that entire bomb. But reinvention, I do feel, is very necessary to embrace this entire human experience, the spherical experience that we're meant to have. And how do we navigate that? Well, part of it is not being afraid, first of all, of change, believing that we're capable of change and understanding that we're meant to change, but also navigating the fact that nothing is permanent. So you think reinvention and you think you go from A to B and you can never go back and visit yourself as A. That's not it either. We never lose that part of ourself. You never lose those experiences. And also use the example of moving somewhere else. A lot of people don't want to move from their hometown, and a lot of people do, but never actually do it. Now, there's two very different situations of the same person that lives in their hometown. One is by choice. They're like, this is what I want. I'm happy here. I don't want to move. Well, great. Not everybody is meant to. The other one is by default, and they want to move, but they're too afraid to take action to make it happen. And now that is the person that I would love to inspire to just start embracing change in a small way and let it let it grow. Learn that you can navigate it, learn that you can test those boundaries and try. But also, you can move somewhere and that hometown's never going away. You can move back. People think if we change back after we reinvent ourselves, it's a failure or something. That way you know again, you're living in that hometown by choice. Then that's not a failure, that's just a different choice, but you know that's where you want to be. So I think we put too much weight on the fear of change. And if we relax that a little bit, we would be able to navigate reinvention with grace and courage.
SPEAKER_03:I think that was totally beautiful, beautifully said. Um, so I'm going to, because I know there's some people listening, watching that are pessimists, and they're gonna be like, you know what, Whitney, that sounds great, you know, for you, but that's not gonna be that's not me. Because a lot of times people have a fear, like you said, of change, but it's also a fear of losing control, you know. People like to have control, even if it's a fictitious thing, um, control of their life, right? Um, control of their surroundings, be comfortable and know and know what is happening. So, how does somebody get over that fear of losing control of their life? Because the often oftentimes people kind of fantasize about reinvention. Sometimes they get hit with it because it just happens in their life and they have to reinvent. And sometimes maybe they're in their comfort zone or have that control, but they're like, you know, I really want to do this, or I really want to act on this, or I want to start this business, but they just stay in that place because they don't know how to navigate the space of losing control. So, how does somebody actually get over that fear uh and step into this where you're like you just know that nothing is promised, um opportunities are abundant, and you just also have to trust your gut, which we're gonna get into the intuition, your gut. But like that takes practice. That takes like you just don't wake up with this. So, how does somebody get over that that that fear?
SPEAKER_00:One step at a time, and I understand I was a perfectionist, I was very, I was literally a professional planner. So my life was control, it was organized, it was very meticulously planned to look like success on all sides. And I was safe in my happy bubble. I get it, I've been there too, and it isn't easy. But what I was mentioning before, I think rings true for everybody, whether we deny it or not, is if our soul has a different purpose, if there's a little voice inside you saying, go, you need to change, you need to do this, it's not gonna stop until it gets louder where we actually listen. And that again, it comes down to choice. You know, we're each individual. There's no one set of rules that works for everybody. That's ridiculous. But to help yourself with that control is to step back, kind of look at yourself to be like, is this fear? Am I capable of it? What could I try? What's a small thing I could try? Because, like anything, we have to practice. We have to practice a new skill. You have to start with something small and show up for yourself. And again, remember, anytime, if it's not right for you, well, don't stop, go back. But if there really is that control that's holding you so tight, that is attached to deeper limiting beliefs in your subconscious that always are worth diving into. It's never what we think on the surface that's holding us back. It's something much, much deeper programmed from childhood or past lives, that it's not an easy area to navigate, but it's worth it. If you really want to unlock yourself to be able to embrace this dance that we talk about of surrender and action, trust, control, it is to go inward and figure out why it's actually holding you back.
SPEAKER_03:So I don't know if we have enough time to uh go into go that deep inward uh for everybody, but like everybody needs some form of uh probably some therapy, some some reflection, some you gotta go, you gotta start with yourself first before you're gonna do any of these things. So I I I just want to um talk really quick about so you literally went without a plan, right? How do you stay grounded? How do you stay grounded with no plan?
SPEAKER_00:Literally with two feet on the ground and reminding myself that there's gravity to hold me there. There's a universal law that I cannot get away from that will hold me there in this 3D world, hold me to the ground. But that was my action of, like I said, going from planner, meticulous, perfectionist, arrogant of the fact that like I had it all together to be like, man, I just need to stop. And that's why I was like, I can't have a plan. I booked airfare based on I picked my dex, my next destination based on affordable airfare and sunshine in the forecast. And that was all I planned on. And that was my trust fall with the universe, with myself, to try to let go of control. What's gonna happen? What would be the worst that can happen? It's another fun exercise. What would be worst that would happen? Okay, backtrack from that. What's worse? What's worse? What's worse? What's worse? Because usually our fear is rooted in something that's we're like, what are the percentages of that happening? Anyway, good exercise. But I I had to have no plan to test myself. And it really was amazing. I met so many cool people that recommended the next place to go or listening to my intuition about what would actually make me happy, brought me back to myself in a way that if I was still plugged into my programming in the city I was living in, that wouldn't have been possible.
SPEAKER_03:This is uh fascinating because I know there are people that are meticulous planners, like they can't they can't even see themselves. Like they they plan, like these are the people that go on a cruise or go off on a vacation on a resort, and they got everything down to the minute of what they're gonna do on their vacation, like it's a job, like that's that's these people that are like, and I can't stand them. I don't know, I don't know about you, but I can't stand going on vacation with these type of people because it's like I'm on vacation, I'm here just to relax, you know, chill out. I if I'm on this, like my life is on the schedule, I live by my calendar. If I'm on vacation, I do not want to be, hey, we gotta go snorkeling at this time, and then we gotta go this thing, and then we gotta go to happy hour, then we gotta go to dinner, and then we gotta do this. So, through like, how do how does somebody free their mind like that? Like they once again, it comes back to control, you know. They they want to be in control, and if you're just trusting your gut, trusting your intuition about what to do next, um, how do you free your mind?
SPEAKER_00:Well, it's a balance, you know. We need the mind, it plays a really important role in our lives. Um, but it's it's just simplifying that spreadsheet. You know, if you took the words out of it and you boiled it down to the emotion, that person probably really has high expectations of some of these experiences because it matters to them. There's a lot of value in this time away from your job, there's a lot of value with your family, and you are holding very tight to this perfect idea of happiness. What is this gonna bring you, that vacation? But if you step back from the spreadsheet and you just think, I want to feel um carefree. I want to feel loved. And if you held those emotions in your heart and trusted, well, what I'm calling in will be that type of experience. You could have the balance of, okay, these are my priorities. I know what they are, I'm putting them out there, I'm focusing on them, but I'm trusting how they come up. I'm trusting the universe or the cruise ship and my fellow passengers to create these things that end up being better than you could have possibly known to put on the spreadsheet. But for me, it's about that. Have expectations. We need to plan a little bit, we need to research a little bit and have a high expectation of what you deserve, but then let go of the attachment to it. The attachment is where we get stuck in our ego and stuck in control and stuck really limiting ourselves because again, what's out there could be way better than we could have imagined.
SPEAKER_03:You remind me of my friend, uh, good friend of mine, Russ. Um, so he is the most he is one of the most free-spirit people that I know. And oftentimes, like he has so he has goals. I hope you don't kill me for saying this. Um he has goals, but like they're free-flowing. So like he just moved to Germany. Um he didn't really have like a plan, and he went there before with no plan, and like he just backpacked all around, similar to what you did. Really, I mean, just he was in all different types of places around the world. Um and he just is such a free spirit, and he's met some incredible people along the way, and um, this is kind of this is how he lives his life. Now he's just busking, and I see his Instagram, he's just busking in the middle of the street or go playing shows out there in Germany. He plays the guitar. Um, we used to we used to travel together, uh, performing. That's how we got connected back in the day. So um, so he uh but he loves to play the guitar, like he's just such a free spirit guy. Um, and he just lives his whole life this way. So my question to you is is there uh is there too much free uh free will of like hey, I'm just gonna like just trust everything and not have goals and not want to double down on things versus the other the you know where he's just like hey, whatever comes to me comes to me. Like, I mean, can can we have goals? Like, can we get can we double down on what we want?
SPEAKER_00:Of course. I mean, I believe in every color in the rainbow and a really big pendulum that continually shifts back and forth. There's a time in your life for surrender and freedom and travel. There's a time for family or rooting or business, there's a time for all of these spherical experiences. And I believe that for everybody it's different. I mean, traveling off like I did would have been a horrible thing for my mother. She would have lost it. She wouldn't have wanted to go on a journey like that ever. It would not have been in alignment with her purpose. No one route is correct for everybody, but for me, it's definitely shifted quite a bit from very, very career-focused in my 20s, buy house, get a promotion, build my own company, get all of the titles that I wanted, the status that I wanted. And I'm not saying that in a bad way because I learned a lot from that. I'm very proud of myself for the work that I did. And I appreciate the opportunity and the people that I met along the way doing that as well. It was just right for my journey to go the opposite side of a really big pendulum and surrender it all to be able to experience that again. And then kind of come back to the middle and integrate the two. And I think that's a really big part of this whole conversation is integration of what we learn. Integrate it into your family, to yourself. And again, we always evolve. So check in. Is it right for me today? Maybe your friend is tired of that and he wants to change, but he doesn't think so because he's so stuck in that identity of how you see how friends see him. But you can change every single day. You can make a choice to be like, no, I'm done. I'm gonna go back to my hometown. I want to be next to my parents or whatever it is. And I mean, now, like I mentioned, I have a two and a half-year-old and a one-year-old babies at home, toddlers at home. So I have a very I have a lot of schedule right now. Naps to books and adventures and stuff, and that and I'm very grateful to be in that place. I don't feel stifled because it's not me traveling like I was nine years ago when I lived the journey I wrote about. It's just a change, and that's right for right now.
SPEAKER_03:Mm-hmm. That's amazing. Yeah, and he and and I now that you said that, he has um this is just uh a season that he went on, but he lived in Hawaii at at some point, but then he decided he's like, I want to be back home close to family. He actually moved back uh to Milwaukee for I think a few years. He was there for at least like two, three years, and then he just he's like, I'm selling all my stuff, I'm I'm making, you know, basically banking a bunch of money, and I'm and then my plan is I'm just gonna go backpacking around the you know the world, and now he's in now he's like, I want to live in Germany. I'm like, all right.
SPEAKER_00:He did meet a girl though, but you know, love happens anywhere, you know.
SPEAKER_03:But hey, it's all right. I mean, she is uh they're they're they're awesome together, they're absolutely awesome together. Um, so I want to talk, uh, I got a question about the intuition really quick. So, how do you incorporate uh intuition into your decision-making process as an entrepreneur? So there's something like in business, a lot I now know that I need to trust my gut probably really 99% of the time. I mean, it's really never did me dirty, you know, like it's never did me wrong. Any the only time it does do me wrong is when I don't listen to it. Um, is it when it's when I get when I get screwed over or something happens. So as a business owner, as an entrepreneur, how do we incorporate that that intuition that you talk with so much about in the book into our decision-making process?
SPEAKER_00:I think it's by tuning in to the emotion that you have behind an end result. For instance, I wrote the book, I see it being made into a movie. Do I know the person that's gonna direct it? Nope. Or write the screenplay? Nope. Or any of that?
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SPEAKER_00:But a lot of opportunities are coming my way to say yes to or no to. And although I have this overarching goal, I'm not seizing them with aggression. I'm not holding tight out of fear. I'm feeling through, is that right? No, maybe not. So you can pass off, but you have faith in the overarching feeling of being on that red carpet and seeing the movie come out and trusting that that it'll happen. It's just tuning out the noise and being able to use your discernment of what's really right for you and what isn't. Um, and that definitely takes practice. But like you said, our intuition rarely guides us wrong. And in fact, if you're feeling uncomfortable, it's probably because something's important. It's really wanting you to take notice. But for entrepreneurs, I really think it is important to tune in because nobody knows your business, nobody knows your goals. And when I say that, it's also your honest goals, not just the ones that you're advertising or you need to put on your spreadsheet, your bankroll. It's your subconscious energy that's driving your intuition, which is really protecting you for your highest good, not the next immediate goal, but the big picture. And that's something that's important to remember too when we say no to something. It might feel wrong in the moment, but you're like, no, this is part of the bigger picture. My intuition said no, it's for a reason. And that's happened to me so many times with contractors now or speaking opportunities where then something in the universe came up and it was like, oh wow, I'm so glad my intuition said no. For instance, there was one speaking opportunity, and then the catastrophic flooding happened in Texas. And I wasn't, I would have never been able to be there had I tried to say yes that weekend. So it's completely uncorrelated why I shouldn't have gone, but I listened to my intuition, I said no, and then I didn't, I wasn't in the middle of the mess.
SPEAKER_03:Right. So it's crazy how that works. It's just um, and I feel like that's uh something that even I know like with uh scientists and like people are still trying to figure out like exactly where that comes from. You know, that intuition. Because like everybody knows it as like trust your gut. Um but there's some real like There's something deeper there. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't know, something either spiritual or I don't know. Maybe it's alien technology. I don't know what it is.
SPEAKER_00:I consider it a lot of remembering. I think that as individuals and as a collective, we are filled with cosmic intelligence. We are filled with everything the universe has ever seen and ever will see. And I feel that the intuition is a big part of remembering, oh, I know that that's not right for me. I don't understand why, but I trust it, I feel it, I'm gonna do it. Because I think we're really, really intelligent. There's so many information systems within our body that we don't understand. And they're really superpowers that wake back up because that is the way that we're all gonna find our internal freedoms, get over the control that you talk about, the shoulds, the shouldn'ts, and the judgments, and just be a little bit more free.
SPEAKER_03:And so that's actually a perfect segue into I am always trying to get people. I'm a big advocate of people putting out content on online. Um oftentimes people are like, A, I don't feel like I have a story to share, and then B, uh, they're like, well, I'm scared of rejection, judgment, um fear of what people are gonna say. How with the messages, the messages that you have within your book, um, and the philosophies that that you live by now, how can someone apply those things to getting out of their own way? Um they know they need to do these things. Like, uh, you know, if you want to grow your personal brand, like you you do have to do these things. I mean, you you don't have a choice, and on the other side, there are a lot of great things that can happen to you because of it. I mean, for instance, if you're writing this book, I mean, this is and and there's pieces of this that help build your personal brand of Whitney being known as the person that uh trusts her gut, as lives um more free, or has these seasons or this pendulum swing of opportunities and knowing kind of when to be more free and more open to possibilities? And then, hey, I'm gonna double down on the goals, family, whatever the next chapter is for your life. And now people have kind of will will see you in this light as you're doing more things like this, but you have to, but you decided somewhere along the line that I'm going to go in this direction. How do we get out of our own way?
SPEAKER_00:It's a practice, and I mean, I still deal with it right now. Major freakouts around imposter syndrome as this book is coming out. Like, why does anybody care about my story? Who am I to write it? Did I do it well enough? I share a lot of intimate details in my book too. So am I gonna get judged for that? My parents are gonna read this, my husband's gonna read this. All of those things come through and they're very real, they're very raw emotions, and they have a purpose too. They they show us that we care. But what has helped me get out of my own way is self-respect. Comes down to self-love as well, but I say respect for a reason because it's allowing me to step into this space and take up space. And I think a lot of people are afraid to just take up their own space, even if it's not perfect, actually, especially if it's not perfect, because we look in the mirror way too often without actually seeing ourselves. And then we're just too afraid to put out something that isn't the idea that we want. So for me, it I really had to start respecting myself in a different way. And what helped me was getting, was rooting, was grounding with the ideology of I am not original. People have been going off on heroes' journeys since the beginning of time. People are on Instagram, people write books. I'm not original, but I don't need to be. What I'm doing is authentic. The story came through me. I lived it with no intention of writing it. And then it came through me with the intention to serve, to inspire somebody, if they're on the edge, if they're trying to embrace change, to share a story that they could connect to. Because at the end of the day, we learn through story, we learn through connecting. And that gave me enough respect of how I lived it. I had the courage to go out and live it. And now my next practice of evolution was to have the courage to go out and share it. So it's still a process, and I'm learning every day, and I'm not gonna say that it's easy. Um, but it does get better if you look in the mirror with respect.
SPEAKER_03:I love I love the word practice because people often look at others and say, oh, they have it all together. You know, like, oh, this is easy for them, or this is they're the anomaly, they're the uh the special case that they can do those things, but I can't. And you're saying I'm not perfect at this, I'm practicing like actively and just doing it, you know, even with this podcast. It's like, hey, I'm I'm putting myself out there. I'm I'm I may ask or answer some tough questions, I may, you know, have to think a little deeper on on subjects or pieces that I that I talked about in my book, and you're actively practicing it, which is amazing. Um, I it's just such a great way to put it. Like, you know, when I when I'm on on on stage or doing things like this, people are like, hey, you're just a natural at this stuff. I mean, is there an element that I think that I have certain gifts? Sure, but there's definitely areas where I have literally practiced this and I'm still practicing, you know, I'm still sharp, like you like the blade gets the gets dull after use, and you gotta sharpen it, and that's that's that's where that common, like the constant uh practice comes with it. Uh so I love that analogy, and then I always talk about self-love uh that you need to have for yourself, um, and that will help you with your decision making and how you're navigating through life, and so the self-respect is definitely in alignment there. Um how how does one so everybody knows I'm the change your circle, change your life guy? So, how does one take the lessons of this book and apply it to being able to change a circle? Because the thing is, you've literally changed your circle by so many times by literally hopping on a plane, meeting so many people, having these incredible experiences, um, and this self-reflection. So, how how does one take the lessons of this book? And if you had to apply it to the change your circle philosophy, um what are some elements that are um that are in alignment and how does somebody actually change the circle?
SPEAKER_00:Elements that are in alignment would be faith, you know, trust that if you're gonna put yourself out there in a different way, you're gonna attract a different type of person. If you have a different purpose in your life, if you're going out there and having different conversations, you will attract a different person to be in your circle. You know, action. Like you said before, we need to take action on things. I said faith first because it's important to have that anchor within of knowing that the universe has your back, that you're capable, but then act on it. Do something different, go to a different networking event, put yourself on a dating app, go on a solo trip, whatever it is that lets you meet other people. We live in a world where it's infinitely possible to meet somebody else anywhere around the world. There's a thousand different ways to do it. Just take action on one. Decide to show up for your life. And that's the big message in my book is however it relates to the reader, show up for your life. Whether it's change, whether it's jumping in a different circle or changing your job or your relationship, it's just show up. Like you said, as you're a speaker, you chose to show up because you're connected with your purpose. Anyone that is clear on their purpose is going to be unable to not act because that's how strong it will come through you when we're clear. And when you're ready to change your circle, another good thing to remember is that nothing is final. You can still have friends in other circles, or you can still go back and forth. Circles are interconnected, in my opinion, and they will always evolve like a slinky, like a five-dimensional slinky. We really want to go there, you know, it's it's it's good, it's gonna move. But it is powerful to have different conversations, get inspired in a different way, and teach somebody else. We forget that too, that when we're especially on a quest of learning, that we're always a teacher at the same time, and there's always somebody that wants to hear from you that's two steps behind you, 10 steps behind you, or in front, and like a circle, we need everybody to keep it going around.
SPEAKER_03:This is amazing. Um, I have a fun question for you, uh, because we like to start fights in the comments. So uh, what is what is your top three favorite movies? It's a fun question. Top three favorite movies. A, the there's a couple reasons why I asked this question, but typically you can learn a lot about somebody. And then B, um, depending on your top favorite movies, sometimes people have other opinions about the movie.
SPEAKER_01:They're like, man, that movie sucks.
SPEAKER_00:I know, and gosh, right now I've been watching so much Disney. I don't even know with your kids. Oh my goodness, taking them on 15-hour flights. It's just like, yes, watch another one. They don't get certain friends at home. But anyway, um, I love move, I love fantasy movies that just transport you and take you out of this reality because I also think it's all connected. So I love the like Lord of the Rings movies. I also love the like oceans movies, 11, 12, and 13. I love the detailed plan, I love the action, I love the humor. Um, and then I'll throw in there Mamma Mia, something that'll just bring you home and connect with whoever it is your person that just makes you feel like this whole world is okay. I love movies like that too.
SPEAKER_03:That is awesome. Yeah, I mean, it's like uh even just those three um, well, two of them are kind of the series. Um, and just those movies, they sum up so perfectly like who you are. That's why I asked that question because I you get a lot of good insight. Um, especially everything from your book and the couple conversations I've had with you. Um, that's incredible. I don't think you'll start too many fights with those with those answers to the comments. We'll see.
SPEAKER_00:We'll see.
SPEAKER_03:We'll put the clip out.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, next next time I'll go a little bit more controversial.
SPEAKER_03:Um, that's awesome. That's awesome. Well, thank you so much. So, first of all, uh, where can where can people find uh the book and how can they get connected to you?
SPEAKER_00:Oh, thank you. For all things, Whitneyjoy, go to whitneyjoy.com. There will be links to podcasts like this, upcoming events. You can purchase the book directly on the site. You can also find it on Amazon and Instagram as WhitneyJoy Rights.
SPEAKER_03:Awesome, awesome. And so if uh how many so you say you're doing seven books for the marketing campaign, um, that you're gonna have people keep passing that along. Are you gonna then will you after that, will you ever start that again? Because I would love if people wanted to reach out to be a part of that. Um, I would love to send people your way. Cause that just is such a cool, like, it's such a cool marketing idea.
SPEAKER_00:Anybody wants to start um one a book journey, contact me directly. My email's on the website and I'll mail you a free book. I'll mail you a couple of them to hand out. You know, I love, you know, when you go to your favorite book and you have like highlighted sections or crossed over corners and stuff like that. That's how I envision somebody going through this book and liking some things, arguing with some things, writing in the side, what the heck is she talking about, but having it be a real human experience and then being like, okay, thank you. I don't need to hold on to this. I want to let it go. I want to release the energy and pass it on to the next person. That's that's what I envision with this. So I welcome all types of readers and anybody that's interested in diving in and passing it along, especially in airports, because the book, again, was lived all around the world. I see these books going all around the world.
SPEAKER_03:You could just you should just take like uh a bunch of books and just go into an airport and just put them around in the uh the concourse areas.
SPEAKER_01:Well, like, all right.
SPEAKER_00:I have I have a couple of trips coming up. We're going to Bali with the whole family, and I'm gonna do a book event there with my mentor, who's one of just the most incredible people in the world, uh Matt Riemann. And we'll be taking books with there, handing them out along the way. I'll have my two and a half year old take it in the airport and go give it to somebody, you know. We'll just try. I also love that too when a stranger comes up to you with a gift. And I guess there is a little bit of an ask with this, but if somebody doesn't want to do it, that's okay.
SPEAKER_03:But it's a small ass, though. I mean, it's like the smallest thing, and you're and you're paying it forward, so it's not like it's all about you. You're just saying, hey, just pay it forward. That's all I ask. Like, here it is, mess it up, whatever you want to do, but then like pay it forward.
SPEAKER_00:Well, and I always put like um movie stubs as like a bookmark or something or a plane ticket, and I would just I would love these books to come back like little scrapbooks, you know. Did you read it? Where were you? Okay, here's your receipt for a bottle of water, you know, whatever it is. I just had a lot of tequila, you know, whatever. It's fine with me.
SPEAKER_01:It's like it's like pages that are wet and given the tequila that spills over.
SPEAKER_00:That would be perfect. I'd like to smell the enjoyment you had reading it on the beach.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, better. That's incredible. Thank you so much for your uh your time, Whitney. Uh, everybody go grab the book, seven blank pages. Um, it is on Amazon, it's on our website. And guys, don't forget if you could change your circle, you could change your life. Please like, comment, subscribe, do all the things, leave us a review. My team's been telling me to say all this stuff. Um, you gotta do all the things so we can get this out to more people to change more lives, to change more circles, to change more lives. So, definitely um share this with someone that needs to hear it, that's all about reinvention, that that maybe is at a pivotal point in their life, and they just need some direction or maybe direction less uh because they've had direction their entire life, and they need to just be. Um this is this is definitely for them. And we'll catch you guys on the next episode. We're out. Peace.
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